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> The Banu Shebah(the Bani Shaiba ) Belong To R1a1a
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сообщение 24.6.2011, 1:11
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"Gatekeeping and custody are synonymous. It is a service of the Sacred House, opening and locking its doors. This was bestowed on Tasm, a tribe of Aad before Quraish. It passed to Khuza'a, then Qusai, who gave it to his son Abdul Dar, who handed it over to his son Othman. It shifted from one person to another until it rested with their nephew Shaiba. It is still inherited by their ancestors up to the present day. The Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) handed the key to Bani Shaiba in' the year of the conquest of Makkah AI-Mukarramah, and said, "Take it, O Bani Talha, eternally up to the Day of Resurrection, and it will not be taken from you unless by an unjust, oppressive tyrant". (12) "


According to the below Arab DNA Forum one member of one of the custodians of the Holy Ka'bah (Member of the Bani Shaiba Family) his YDNA results came as

R1a1a

M6740 Al-Shibi Al-Qurashi

R1a1a 13 25 16 11 11-14 12 12 10 13 11 32 17 10-10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12-15-15-16 11 11 19-23 15 17 19 18 35-39 14 11 11 8 17-17 8 12 10 8 11 10 12 22-22 17 10 12 14 14 8 13 23 21 12 12 11 13 11 11 12 13

This is his Ysearch

WN6BW


Note: The Banu Shebah(The Bani Shaiba ) belong to the same tribe(Quraysh) as Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The interview video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h1fMfrWF30
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сообщение 25.6.2011, 10:18
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Thank you for your message, it is very interesting and important news for us. Do you have any translation of this interview?


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FTDNA: 152881
YSEARCH: 23JBC
R1a1a1i (Z283+, Z280+, Z92+)
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сообщение 25.6.2011, 18:01
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Dear Saud,

Yes, indeed, Muhammad (BPUH) was born into the tribe of Quraysh (Quraish), however, why R1a1? It is considered well established that the Muhammad lineage belongs to J1 haplogroup, which is a major haplogroup of Sayids as well.

Hence, the first question is on what ground a bearer of R1a1 haplogroup is assigned (if I understand correctly) to the Prophet lineage?

I personally would be delighted to learn that Muhammad (BPUH) belonged to R1a1 haplogroup (see the appropriate datings nelow), however, again, what is a ground?

Now, some (new) information for you.

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According to the below Arab DNA Forum one member of one of the custodians of the Holy Ka'bah (Member of the Bani Shaiba Family) his YDNA results came as

R1a1a

13 25 16 11 11-14 12 12 10 13 11 32 17 10-10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12-15-15-16 11 11 19-23 15 17 19 18 35-39 14 11 11 8 17-17 8 12 10 8 11 10 12 22-22 17 10 12 14 14 8 13 23 21 12 12 11 13 11 11 12 13

Note: The Banu Shebah(The Bani Shaiba ) belong to the same tribe(Quraysh) as Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).


This is the Central Eurasian ancestral haplotype, or the Russian Plain base haplotype, its "age" equals to 4600 years (plus-minus a confidence interval, which I omit here for clarity):

13 25 16 11 11-14 12 12 10 13 11 31 15 9-10 11 11 24 14 20 32 12-15-15-16 11 11 19-23 15 16 19 19 35-38 13 11 11 8 17-17 8 12 10 8 11 10 12 22-22 15 10 12 12 13 8 14 23 21 12 12 11 13 11 11 12 13

As one can see, these two above haplotypes are pretty much close to each other: they have only 14 mutations between them (out of 67 markers). It translates to a time difference between THEIR common ancestors:

14/0.12 = 117 --> 133 generations, that is 3325 years. Since the first haplotype is a current one, and the "age" of the Russian Plain base haplotype is 4600 years, THEIR common ancestor lived (4600+3325+0)/2 = 4000 years ago. The figure is "younger" than the age of the Russian Plain base haplotype, it is a descendant one.

4000 years ago was the time when the R1a1 from the Russian Plain after they crossed the Caucasian mountains and crossed Anatolia had arrived to the current Saudi Arabia. They were the same (in principle) Aryans, who came to Anatolia, to India and Iran. It explain that R1a1 tribes in the Arab world have a high status.

4000 years ago was the time when Abraham lived. It might be a coincidence, it might be not, that "J1 Abraham", "J2 Abraham", and "R1a1 Abraham" lived in the same time.

Comments?


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mt-DNA: H

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Igor1961
сообщение 25.6.2011, 19:28
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I suggest to perform a test to SNP L342, which was found among Ashkenazi Levites of R1a1 and in several members of Central Eurasian branch of Indian or Near Eastern stock. This group of haplotypes seems to form a particular lineage of 4000+/-500 years age.

The haplotype of Al-Shibi Al-Qurashi is not very close to any of known 67-marker haplotypes of open-access databases, but when it was added to this probable sub-branch, it did not distort its TMRCA as well as its covergence parameter. This is the reason to suggest additional tests.


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Y-DNA: R1a M458>Y2604>CTS11962>L1029>FGC66323>YP1703>YP6189>BY35612
mt-DNA: U3a2a (16343G, 16390A, 16519C, 73G, 150T, 200G, 263G, 315.1C)
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