Главная   |   Древние Рода   |   ДНК тесты   |   ДОК генеалогия             VK  |  OK  |  FB

Здравствуйте, гость ( Вход | Регистрация )

Ответить в данную темуНачать новую тему
> Evaluation Of The Convergence Of Sets In Str Phylogeny And Analysis Of The Haplogroup R1a1 Tree., I. Rozhanskii
Павел Шварев
сообщение 17.7.2010, 10:47
Сообщение #1


Группа: Главные администраторы
Сообщений: 11613
Регистрация: 22.4.2008
Из: порт Находка
Пользователь №: 2

Evaluation Of The Convergence Of Sets In Str Phylogeny And Analysis Of The Haplogroup R1a1 Tree.,
I. Rozhanskii


An approach has been developed to verify a convergence of Y-chromosome haplotype sets to single ancestors. This is a modification of the previously proposed method relying on the correspondence between the number of base haplotypes and the total number of mutations in the set [Klyosov, 2009]. The convergence parameter of the set is defined as the ratio of time spans to the (most recent) common ancestor (TSCA), calculated by logarithmic (from the number of base haplotypes) and linear (from the total number of mutations) methods, respectively. Parameters were calculated by using independent short fragments of extended (25 markers) haplotypes, and the average value was used for evaluation. This approach is able to employ relatively small number of extended haplotypes in order to estimate the convergence of trees to the single ancestor. The typical lower limit for evaluation is assumed as 20 haplotypes for 2000 years TSCA. The method is illustrated by examples from the phylogeny tree of R1a1 haplogroup.


Anyone who ever calculated time spans to the common ancestors (TSCA) for Y-chromosome haplotypes knows that this is not a simple task. Apart from purely computational problems, it is very difficult in many instances to decide whether the set with the calculated base (modal) haplotype does converge to the single ancestor or there are several of them. This is the issue, because in the latter case the so-called «phantom» ancestor and incorrect TSCA are inevitably deduced. One can discard irrelevant haplotypes and select appropriate branches by analyzing the general structure of the tree, but this is not the general case. The tree itself appears sometimes either like a staircase or like an interwoven web, with heavily blurred boundaries between branches (Fig. 1). It is not easy to decide how to divide or combine closely positioned clusters. Decisions tend to be personally biased, that makes an analysis of large sets of extended haplotypes increasingly unreliable, especially when the branches of the tree are not known a priori. There is a need in some independent method, which could allow us to estimate the means of division of the tree by branches.

Fig. 1. Examples of trees in PHYLIP (left) and Network (right) software.


The cornerstone assumption in computational methods of DNA genealogy states that mutations in the non-coding regions of Y chromosome are strictly stochastic. As a consequence, the following equations can derived [Klyosov, 2009]:

M = μN0t (1)

N/N0 = e-μt (2)

with М being the total number of mutation from the base haplotype during time interval t in the set, N0 corresponding to total number of haplotypes in the set, N defining the number of non-mutated (≡ base) haplotypes in the set, and μ being the average mutation rate per haplotype.

Equations (1) and (2) yield the apparent relation:

ln(N0/N) ~ M/N0 (3)

It turns to equality under the following conditions:

(a) reasonably large set is considered,

(b ) there is one, and only one common ancestor, and

(с) multi-step mutations are absent.

Since multi-step mutations are rather rare and tend to be statistically insignificant, one can omit condition (с), and relation (3) can be applied to verify the condition (b ) - It can be re-written for convenience as:

ν = ln(N0/N)/(M/N0) (4)

with ν being defined as the parameter of convergence of the set to one common ancestor. The closer its value to unity and the lesser it deviates from this upon addition or withdrawal of presumably related haplotypes, the higher is the probability to consider the particular set of haplotypes as descending from the single common ancestor. Neither of factors affecting TSCA values (reverse mutations, asymmetry, size of haplotypes, differences in individual mutation rates per marker) should affect the parameter ν, because the product μt remains the same both in (1) and (2).

This verification method can work efficiently, if condition (a) is fulfilled. That is, the set of haplotypes should be large enough. The critical issue is how to offer statistically significant number of base haplotypes, because their fraction falls exponentially as a function of time and length of the haplotype (see Eq. 2). For example, relatively young (28 generations by documental genealogy) Donald Clan retains now 25 % of its base haplotypes in 25 marker format, i.e. 21 from 84 [Klyosov, 2009], but its fraction will drop to mere 0.7 % after 100 generations from the ancestor. It is unlikely to find any base haplotypes in the set of the same size. If we limit our count by shorter 12 marker standard, we would expect 9.3 % of base haplotypes after 100 generation (7-8 from 84), that is enough for evaluation. However, the deviation of the number of base haplotypes just by one from the expected value (i.e., 6 or 9 from 84) would result in 15 % error in determination of the parameter ν. It is too rough to be of practical use. This error can be reduced in case of much larger sets, but it not always possible to collect enough haplotypes.

Where can we take more data, if the number of samples is limited? There is a simple solution – pick them up from the «cuts» of extended haplotypes, which have remained after employing their first panels (12 markers) in calculations. Since equations (1) and (2) are universal, they should be valid for any sequence of markers, not necessary standard. It is enough to obtain only 3 characteristics of the set - N(0), N and M, with tedious work on calibrating mutation rates being unnecessary for the scheduled task. In case of 25 marker haplotypes of FTDNA standard kit, this additional set can be compiled from haplotypes of the second panel, considered as independent. Its base haplotype, the number of mutations and the convergence parameter can be calculated exactly by the same means as for the standard 12-marker panel. In ideal, parameters n for both sets should coincide, because they belong to the same samples. In practice, they differ, but their average should be closer to the true value, provided there is the single ancestor with corresponding base haplotype.

The number and composition of such «cut» haplotypes can be arbitrary. It appeared to be convenient to use 3, rather than 2 independent sets of markers, taken from the standard 25 marker panel.

Set 1: DYS 393, DYS 391, DYS 388, DYS 389-2, DYS 458, DYS 459b, DYS 437, DYS 464c, DYS 464d;

Set 2: DYS 390, DYS 385a, DYS 385b, DYS 426, DYS 389-1, DYS 392, DYS 447, DYS 464b;

Set 3: DYS 19, DYS 439, DYS 459a, DYS 455, DYS 454, DYS 448, DYS 449, DYS 464a.

The calculation of the convergence parameters for all sets was carried out by MS Excel. Simultaneous calculations of TSCA were performed by the linear method, corrected by reverse mutations [Klyosov, 2009].


Prior to discussion of practical examples, one can note that the proposed method allows not only estimate the probability of the convergence of sets to single ancestors. It can be also useful in analyzing the character of deviations from uniform convergence if they are observed. Let's consider possible cases, as shown in Fig. 2.

Case А. If the set is statistically significant, uniform, and it converges to the single ancestor, it leads, by definition, to ν = 1. This case can be imagined as a tree with its branches fitting the circle. The size of the trunk corresponds to the number of base haplotypes, whereas the length of branches represents the total number of mutations.

Case В. If the set contains haplotypes both from the main tree and from some remote unrelated branch, the total number of mutations appears to be overestimated compared with the number of base haplotypes. Accordingly, ν < 1, and the corresponding double tree fits the oblate ellipse. This is rather frequent case in STR phylogeny, which happens if generous young branches "pull" the base haplotype to themselves. In many instances, such branches can be visibly recognized upon drawing the tree.

Case С. Branches of the uniform tree are overlapped with those of the nearby tree, which is not directly related to the former. The set looks rather compact by eye, but it contains less base haplotypes than expected. It results in ν > 1, and the whole «composite» tree fits the prolate ellipse. This case appears frequently, when sets are composed by some artificial criteria, disregarding «natural» mutations. The particular example is sorting haplotypes by the fixed values of selected markers, which is popular among beginners. It is very difficult to recognize unrelated haplotypes in such sets. Sometimes it is more convenient to recalculate the whole tree, rather than to unravel the knot.

Fig. 2. Typical cases of the superposition of trees.

Even if ν = 1, it is still important to confirm, that this is not accidental coincidence. If the set is large enough, one can apply rather strict test. The set is divided randomly by two parts, and convergence criteria and base haplotypes are calculated separately for both halves. If differences in their values are negligible, the whole branch can be considered as homogeneous.

If this test cannot be performed because of the limited size of the set, one can judge about stability of the tree indirectly, by comparing the base haplotype resulted from the optimization of ν and the modal one. If they differ markedly, it might be (but not always) a sign of the superposition.

Finally, there is a useful hint when statistically significant sets of 67 marker haplotypes are considered, with TSCA and errors being calculated separately for 25- и 67 marker panels. The more these values are overlapped, the higher is the probability for the set to be descending from the single ancestor.

The present method has been developed in the course of the analysis of haplogroup R1a1, for which any information on its SNP phylogeny was nearly absent to the moment of beginning of that work. Base haplotypes of branches and their geographical distribution were published [Rozhanskii and Klyosov, 2009; Rozhanskii and Klyosov, 2010], while TSCA have been recalculated considering the growth of the database in time. Only average values of ν were used in the analysis, without standart errors. The latters characterize mostly the mutation patterns in particular branches, rather than bear any statistical meaning.

Table. Examples of branches of R1a1 trees.

The first 6 branches show all signs of convergence: their parameters n are close to unity, they are stable upon random dissection of sets, and their TSCA match each other when calculated by different sets of markers. This method works well in the wide time scale, both for Kyrgyz and Central European branches, in spite of their 4 times difference in TCSA. These branches correspond to the case "A".

Young Scandinavian branch is an example of the case "C". Its convergence parameter deviates significantly from unity, while the base haplotype of the branch appears to be rather unstable, since it switches between several optima upon random dissection of the set. These are visible signs of superposition. Indeed, the tree of this branch is not entirely homogeneous, because it contains a younger compact sub-branch (so-called "scottish" cluster), which adds some more mutations or even can "usurp" the base haplotype if outnumbers the rest of the set. When this younger sub-branch was withdrawn, the remaining ("parent") branch immediately gave good convergence to the single ancestor.

The next example is the Central European branch, which seems to fit the case «B», with a superposition of parent and daughter sub-branches. However, this is another, non-standard case. More than half of the haplotypes (67 from 110) bear a complex mutation known as "recombinational loss of heterozygosity" (recLOH). One can find more information about this mutation elsewhere. In relevance to the present subject, it is important that it takes place in pair markers of palindrome regions of DNA and its probability is less than for the most of STR markers, but more than for SNP. The specific mark of recLOH in Central European branch is "doubling" of alleles in the quadruple marker DYS464a-d. For example, the present author (as well as dozens of his neighbours by this branch) bears alleles DYS464a-f 12-12-15-15-15-16 instead of characteristic for R1a1 sequence 12-15-15-16. Formally, these are 4 consecutive mutations. In fact, this is a single, albeit rare event. Apparently, it is necessary to make correction to recLOH in order to obtain undistorted TSCA and base haplotypes.
This branch was divided by two parts, and parameters of both subsets were calculated separately. Both sub-branches showed good convergence parameters and close TSCA. Counting recLOH as a single mutation, one can calculate the genetic distance between two base haplotypes as 4 in 67-marker format. It puts the common ancestor of both sub-branches at 2725±400 years before present, which matches closely TSCA obtained for the same branch using another dataset [Underhill et al., 2009; Klyosov and Rozhanskii, 2009 ], that is 2550±360 ybp. Therefore, Central European branch shows patterns of the case «А», representing the homogeneous tree with the single common ancestor. Probably, recLOH mutation occurred at the very beginning of the history of this branch, and both sub-branches developed in the same fashion, producing virtually indistinguishable haplotypes. At the best of author's knowledge, it is one of very few examples when recLOH defines a genealogical line of such temporal, demographical and geographical scale.

Finally, the last two branches have been taken not from our review article [Rozhanskii and Klyosov, 2009], but from the website of the Polish FTDNA project. Data of R1a1 are represented there as clusters, which are composed according to the published method [Gwozdz, 2009]. These data give us the opportunity to examine how the present method competes with the other algorithms of the evaluation of genealogical lines (clusters, by somewhat cautious definition used in the project). A list of 64 haplotypes, assigned by the project administrator to the cluster «К», was treated by the same way as previously considered branches. This set shows close TSCA for 25 and 67 markers panels, while its base haplotype matches very closely that of the Western Eurasian branch (in fact, this is one of the most represented genealogical lines in Poland and surrounding countries). However, the convergence parameter of this set (ν = 1.06) suggests, that some unrelated haplotypes can be still present there. It is very difficult to verify this suggestion and to recognize "intruders" by relying entirely on the method used in that project. It is an example of the case «С», with the aforementioned consequences.

Another set of 36 haplotypes has been defined in the project as belonging to the "cluster K borderline". Although such definition is rather obscure, let's consider this set as a separate genealogical line and treat it similarly. It becomes apparent (see Table), that this is nothing but a superposition of loosely bound fragments with «phantom» ancestor. Assignment of haplotypes in this set is unreliable and needs refinement by some other methods.


Examples listed above do not mean that the present method is able to displace existing algorithms used in STR phylogeny. It cannot produce a tree, but it is valuable as a tool for really independent verification of various approaches, which should yield genealogical lines descending from single ancestors. Since this approach deals with arrays of data, it is not very informative in positioning individual haplotypes on the tree. By the same reason, evaluations of smaller sets (typically, less than 20 25-marker haplotypes) are less reliable. However, this method is considered as complementary to other techniques of DNA genealogy, providing additional opportunities in research.


The author expresses his gratitude to A. Klyosov for the encouragement in developing this method and for fruitful discussions. Special thanks to P. Shvarev, who first recognized and characterized branches of R1a1. The very subject of this work would be impossible without his contribution.


Klyosov, A., and Rozhanskii, I. (2009). Subclade R1a1a7-M458 – populations, geography, history. Proc. Russian Academy of DNA Genealogy (ISSN 1942-7484), 2, No. 7, 1200 – 1216 (in Russian).

Rozhanskii, I., and Klyosov, A. (2009). Haplogroup R1a1: haplotypes, genealogical lines, history, geograpgy. Proc. Russian Academy of DNA Genealogy (ISSN 1942-7484), 2, No. 6, 974-1099 (in Russian).

Rozhanskii, I., and Klyosov, A. (2010). Migrations from Southern Siberia and Central Asia to the Northern Europe from the viewpoint of DNA genealogy. Proc. Russian Academy of DNA Genealogy (ISSN 1942-7484), 3, No. 1, 66-77 (in Russian).

Gwozdz, P. (2009) Y-STR Mountains in Haplospace, Part I: Methods. J. Genetic Geneal (ISSN 1557-3796), 5, No. 2, 137 - 159.

Klyosov, A.A. (2009) DNA Genealogy, Mutation Rates, and Some Historical Evidence Written in Y-Chromosome, Part I: Basic Principles and the Method. J. Genetic Geneal (ISSN 1557-3796), 5, No. 2, 186 - 216.

Underhill, P.A., Myres, N.M., Rootsi, S., Metspalu, M., Zhivotovsky, L.A., King, R.J. et al (2009) Separating the post-Glacial coancestry of European and Asian Y chromosomes within haplogroup R1a. Eur. J. Human. Genet., advance online publication, 4 November 2009, doi: 10.1038/ejhg.2009.194

Web resources

Description of mutations in Y chromosome http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~langolier/krahn.pdf

Polish FTDNA project

Перейти в начало страницы
+Цитировать сообщение
сообщение 17.7.2010, 16:34
Сообщение #2


Группа: R1a, Академики
Сообщений: 8858
Регистрация: 4.7.2008
Пользователь №: 526

Подход хороший и очень правильный. Но штука в том, что подавляющему числу читателей так и останется непонятным, что конкретно нужно делать и как считать. Статья на 99% теоретическая и обосновывающая подход.

Но мой взгляд (и немалый опыт) надо добавить несколько конкретных примеров. Например, вот лист из стольких-то 25-маркерных гаплотипов, из стольких-то 37-маркерных, из стольких-то 67-маркерных. Вопрос - там упрятан один общий (ДЛЯ ВСЕХ) предок, или несколько? Разбиваем лист на столько-то серий из стольких-то ...-маркерных гаплотипов, причем делаем это вот так-то. Получаем вот такой-то список укороченных гаплотипов. Из них столько-то базовых (идентичных). Логарифм отношения числа укороченных гаплотипов в списке к числу базовых, деленный на результат "линейной процедуры", равен 0.98. Если разбить список 25-маркерных гаплотипов по-другому, и сделать ту же процедуру, то имеем укороченный список из такого же числа гаплотипов, но базовых среди них уже не восемь, а семь, то есть всего на один меньше. Отношение равно 1.01. Та же процедура, повторенная для восьми разных разбиений исходного списка из 25-маркерных гаплотипов дает отношения от 0.96 до 1.03, в среднем 0.99+/-0.03. Таким образом, для всего списка 25-маркерных гаплотипов был один общий предок (теоретическая, идеальная величина отношений равна 1.00).

Для 67-маркерных гаплотипов возможностей разбиения на короткие фрагменты уже значительно больше, и можно обойтись всего десятком гаплотипов в исходном списке. Пример таких разбиений следующий:...

И так далее. Уверяю, что именно эти примеры и послужат основой для применения метода. Текст будет просто гарниром, хотя и важным.

А саму статью, помимо этого Форума, следует поместить в Вестник, в раздел "Статьи на английском языке". Отнесение к Вестнику уже было выставлено на Rootsweb и на некоторых других сайтах (World Families, например), причем оба последних раза выставлено не мной, так что люди имеют доступ. И я вижу (по индексу цитируемости в сети), что он начинает заметно цитироваться.

Y-DNA: R1a-Z283
mt-DNA: H

Перейти в начало страницы
+Цитировать сообщение
сообщение 17.7.2010, 19:16
Сообщение #3


Группа: R1a, Магистры
Сообщений: 1469
Регистрация: 2.4.2009
Из: Бостон
Пользователь №: 1923

Игорь Львович, а почему для the most recent common ancestor выбрана такая необычная аббревиатура TSCA. Англоязычные уже привыкли к TMRCA как здесь. Если перед аббревиатурой использован артикль the то пишут короче MRCA. Может стоит поправить, хотя это не главное.

FTDNA Kit No. 143121, Russian Empire Project
Ysearch/mitosearch URQ2X

Y-DNA: R1a-Z280 >CTS1211>CTS3402>Y33>CTS8816>Y2902>Y2910>L458* Восточно-Карпатская (Волго-Карпатская ветвь)
mt-DNA: H* (16085T, 16189C, 16519C, 263G, 315.1C, 522-, 523-)
Перейти в начало страницы
+Цитировать сообщение
Павел Шварев
сообщение 17.7.2010, 20:00
Сообщение #4


Группа: Главные администраторы
Сообщений: 11613
Регистрация: 22.4.2008
Из: порт Находка
Пользователь №: 2

Стараемся говорить по английски.
Перейти в начало страницы
+Цитировать сообщение

Быстрый ответОтветить в данную темуНачать новую тему
1 чел. читают эту тему (гостей: 1, скрытых пользователей: 0)
Пользователей: 0


              Mantlet IPB skin Designed by Fisana, IPBskins.ru
RSS Текстовая версия Сейчас: 20.10.2018, 7:37

Генеалогический сайт Рунета Сайт Всероссийского Генеалогического Древа Генеалогическая сеть Анализ фамилий Cайт рода R1a Краеведческий сайт Чеченский ДНК проект

© 2004-2015 RODSTVO.RU